Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site tty3b.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!harpo!floyd!clyde!ihnp4!we13!tty3b!mjk From: mjk@tty3b.UUCP (Mike Kelly) Newsgroups: net.tv,net.politics Subject: Re: The Day After Message-ID: <248@tty3b.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-Nov-83 17:59:38 EST Article-I.D.: tty3b.248 Posted: Tue Nov 15 17:59:38 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Nov-83 07:36:14 EST References: <434@ihuxb.UUCP>, <437@ihuxb.UUCP> Organization: Teletype Corp., Skokie, Ill Lines: 46 Not having seen the film as of yet, I can't say whether or not it espouses a political message. Frankly, I hope it does, in the sense that Allen England uses the word "political". Allen says, "[The Day After] clearly espouses the view that current US nuclear policy is wrong and will inevitably lead to nuclear war." To many people, that is not political, but simply common sense. As I said at the end of my previous submission to net.politics, "If we don't turn around soon, we're going to end up where we're headed." No one -- absolutely no one -- has every offered a plausible scenario for an indefinite nuclear arms race. Do you really believe -- CAN you really believe -- that the world can continue to build weapons, and yet NEVER use them? Do you really believe -- CAN you really believe -- that if Lawrence, Kansas, or Leningrad were destroyed in a "limited" nuclear war, the life expectancy of the rest of the world could be longer than a few hours? Jonathan Schell, in an excellent book on the topic, "The Fate of the Earth", wrote of deterrence: "The doctrine is diagrammatic of the world's failure to come to terms with the nuclear predicament. In it, two irreconcilable purposes clash ... We cannot both threaten ourselves with something and hope to avoid that same thing by making the threat -- both intend to do something and intend not to do it ... For if we try to guarantee our safety by threatening ourselves with doom, then we have to mean the threat; but if we mean it, then we are actually planning to do, in some circumstance or another, that which we categorically must never do and are supposedly trying to prevent -- namely, extinguish ourselves. This is the circularity at the core of the nuclear deterrence doctrine; we seek to avoid our self-extinction by threatening to perform the act." Is there really a political argument over deterrence? Or are there simply those who refuse to consider the incredible, glaring illogic of the doctrine and those to whom the illogic is manifest? Should the opponents have equal time? Certainly -- they can only spout the irrelevancies to which we are all quite accustomed: that the Soviet Union is really evil, you know, and we need all those nuclear bombs so that if they try anything, like blowing up the world 36 times, boy, will they be surprised when we blow it up 37 times. So bring on Falwell. We can handle him easily. It's the "cold, rational" types who worry me. Mike Kelly ..!ihnp4!tty3b!mjk