Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site cbosgd.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!floyd!clyde!ihnp4!cbosgd!djb From: djb@cbosgd.UUCP (David J. Bryant) Newsgroups: net.sport.football Subject: Re: Invitation for comment Message-ID: <559@cbosgd.UUCP> Date: Tue, 8-Nov-83 10:33:18 EST Article-I.D.: cbosgd.559 Posted: Tue Nov 8 10:33:18 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 10-Nov-83 01:10:54 EST References: <898@mit-eddie.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Lines: 28 I've noticed the same thing. As I see it, teams that lose almost always drop in the ratings. The number of positions they drop is related to the ranking of the team they lost to. If #3 beats #8, then #8 is probably not going to drop more than 2 or 3 positions. If #8 is beaten by an unranked team, then #8 can expect to fall quite a distance. This situation is aggravated if #8 was #4 last week and lost a game they weren't supposed to. This can produce a rapid plummet, perhaps out of the rankings altogether (similar to what happened with West Virginia and North Carolina this season). I suppose you must consider that #9 and #10 are close in strength to #8, and that since they won their games they should move up at #8's expense. The paradox is as you pointed out - you expect #3 to beat #8, so why should #8 lose ground? It is as if the #8 team has a feast or famine future. If they beat the #3 team, they jump up several spots, if they lose, they drop several. No maintaining the status quo. There are all kinds of examples of this phenomenon, with interesting variations depending on how closly ranked the teams were, whether they were in the first or second ten, etc. It's a common enough occurrance that most pollsters must just do reflexively. Still, it's curious... Another more unusual case is when a team loses and moves up. This happened this past week with E. Carolina. They played Miami (Florida) a great game and lost in the last few minutes. As a result (plus based on their strong showings earlier in the season) got them rated #25 in this week's USA TODAY Top 25, where they were unranked the week before. David Bryant Bell Labs Columbus, OH (614) 860-4516 (cbosg!djb)