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Subject: Re: Re: teacher's don't need more pay - (nf)
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Date: Sun, 27-Nov-83 22:57:28 EST
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smu!leff    Nov 27 15:43:00 1983

Sounds like what you are describing is a classic case of supply
and demand equilibrating itself.  Salaries would go up to the point
where people wouldn't pay any more to get more teachers.  Thus there
would be no vacancies for Ph.D's in computer science.  The
salaries would be no better.

On a short term basis, we would see no more teachers only more
money spent to get the existing supply of Ph.D's.  Money that would
be available to get equipment, give scholarships etc. would go to the
teachers instead.

ON a long term basis we would see more teachers attracted to the
profession (within the three years that it takes to convert a M. S. to
a Ph.D.)  This would allow salaries to come down a bit.  At four times
the current salaries, teachers would make more than doctors.

We would have a situation on the graduate level like in undergraduate
engineering schools and in medical schools: either overcrowding or
people who would make good teachers not being able to get in.

To the music professor who booted UNIX, had teachers been paid properly,
you would never have had the opportunity to boot it.  Maybe you didn't want
it but if there are less teachers and more turn over, graduate students
and people from other professions have a chance to get in.

At the city colleges, professors from unpopular areas like art or
philosophy had two choices to teach computers or to teach developmental
math or reading.  Guess which they chose.  Some were incompetent.  On the
other hand, my boss raved about her intro to programming teacher.  Guess
what his Ph. D. was in! Psychology.

When I was working, I got an opportunity to teach as an adjunct
lecturer.
I still was working towards my masters.  After four semesters, I achieved
4.7 out of 5 on my student evaluations.  The first semester was a disaster
area but that is another story.  Had there been sufficiently high salaries
to attract Ph. D's, then I would not have had the opportunity to teach.
If there aren't enough faculty members, then graduate students get a whole
course instead of grading papers or whatever.  Some graduate students
are lousy.  I have known some (not who teach here but elsewhere) who
were incompetent both as teachers and as professionals.  However some
are FANTASTIC.  Here, a foreign graduate student won DISTINGUISHED 
PROFESSOR from the students.