Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!clyde!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!smu!leff From: leff@smu.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: A new topic - (nf) Message-ID: <3855@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Tue, 15-Nov-83 01:39:25 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.3855 Posted: Tue Nov 15 01:39:25 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 16-Nov-83 04:29:00 EST Lines: 42 #R:wxlvax:-19400:smu:16200001:000:2002 smu!leff Nov 14 09:09:00 1983 Your questions remind me of questions I had when I was a LIbertarian about accepting government aid for college. Government money was stolen money and therefore I couldn't accept it. (I resolved that dilemma at that time by giving the money back to my father who was working and paid more in taxes than I got from the government.) The problem with that argument is that all money is eventual government taken. You may get it directly from the government, from someone who works for the government or from someone who works for a store who got some money who works for the government etc. In your case, eventually any money you receive will bepartially from people who got paid for building weopons that you did not like. There are some CS departments in University that receive no government grants from the defense related departments. However, some of your students will go into defense related industries. Some of them will be getting VA benefits of some kind or other, etc. etc. If you work for the phone company, government employees buy telephone services, all government agencies have at least some of their communications over regular telephone lines. IBM does government work and most computer companies do sell at least a few computers to the defense industries. Atari was asked to develop some video games for training soldiers! IN short, you can't escape the government defense work. I personally think you might consider going into teaching where at least you could say you helped give other people the opportunity to make the same choice you are undergoing now. It really is a matter of where do you draw the line as to how close you wish to avoid being. Probably, working for the defense department or for a direct contractor is too close to the line. Working as a technical support person for a computer store would probably be very far on the other side of the line. In short, 'related to the defense industry' is a fuzzy set when it comes to job opportunities.