Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utcsstat.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsstat!ian From: ian@utcsstat.UUCP (Ian F. Darwin) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: New topic: property status of information Message-ID: <1458@utcsstat.UUCP> Date: Mon, 21-Nov-83 00:02:16 EST Article-I.D.: utcsstat.1458 Posted: Mon Nov 21 00:02:16 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 21-Nov-83 01:19:25 EST References: <204@wxlvax.UUCP> Organization: Univ of Toronto (UTCS) Lines: 23 Actually some comments on Wexelblat's comments; Property is theft Is it? And what is theft? Theft is the removal of property without its owner's permission. Nice try, but you can't define theft except in terms of property, not vice versa. (Rand calls this an example of the "stolen concept", which I find a useful designation). All property is information Well, that's stretching things a bit. Any material goods taken out of the ground & made into something have information content, but it ain't necessarily so that the information is a primary part of its form. What is primary in a hammer, for example; the information that went into digging the iron ore, smelting it, etc., or the fact that it's real good for driving nails and not bad for smashing skulls? Your hero (Proudhon) might well say the labor to dig the ore &c. Is labor the same as information? I think not. -- Ian F. Darwin, Toronto uucp: utcsstat!ian