Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ucbcad.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!ucbcad!notes From: notes@ucbcad.UUCP Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: An Alternative to Limited Nuclear Wa - (nf) Message-ID: <908@ucbcad.UUCP> Date: Tue, 29-Nov-83 07:33:27 EST Article-I.D.: ucbcad.908 Posted: Tue Nov 29 07:33:27 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 1-Dec-83 04:41:29 EST Sender: notes@ucbcad.UUCP Organization: UC Berkeley CAD Group Lines: 68 #R:houxu:-24800:ucbesvax:7500057:000:3505 ucbesvax!turner Nov 29 02:18:00 1983 Re: Larry Welsch's "An Alternative to Limited Nuclear War" Let me say, first off, that I don't disagree with the Scientific American article cited, nor with the conclusions Larry draws from it. I disagree with his proposal, however: expansion into the oceans and into space is not going to solve anything, and especially not for the reasons that he gives, which are very dubious. Rather, it would exacerbate the conflict. Leaving aside the can-of-worms issue of who owns the oceans, I doubt very much that space can be considered "big" in the same sense that Russia is considered big. Nor is Russia "big" in nuclear warfaring terms. These are not the days of Napolean--they are not even the days of Hitler! Considered in terms of the number of targets to hit, the U.S. is larger. Similarly, the question of whether "anyone [would] think seriously of attacking a country that had the technology to successfully colonize" either the oceans or space is unimportant: global ecocide hits everyone, no matter how big and spread out they might be. And the spitefulness that would result in a nuclear exchange would most certainly not spare the hanging gardens of Tycho Crater! The final paragraph was a masterpiece of blind optimism: More importantly such a space race would remove the tensions from nuclear arms race and create useful outlets for the world's population and new resources to support the world. There is a treaty about putting nuclear arms in orbit. It says "we won't". If one side or the other should decide to abrogate, we will see a precarious situation. "Such a space race" will have precisely the *opposite* effect of what Larry expects: it will raise tensions to a fever pitch. (You *have* heard of the ultimate MX basing option, haven't you? Proposed, I believe, by think-tankers at the Heritage Foundation [1], is that MX's be modified to be launched into orbit, and then dropped on *command*. Please don't tell me that you don't want to live on a planet H-bombs poised in orbit, while the superpowers snarl and bicker. Being on the moon or in the ocean wouldn't be a whole lot of help.[2]) You might protest: "we'll keep nukes out of space." But what you're proposing is to extend the borders of the U.S. upward and downward. Are you saying that the current national defense priorities will not extend in these directions? The superpower mentality *demands* that they should. Another major objection: the incredible cost of the proposal. The vast majority of people in the world will never make enough money in their lifetimes to fund an emigration of this kind. Space will *not* be a "useful outlet for the world's population" for at least a century. The problem we're talking about must be solved a little sooner than that--maybe next month, given the way things are going at the moment. Come on, Space Cadets! Let's get our heads out of the Magellanic clouds. (You too, Laura! [3].) A space-colonization effort is what you do with the money left over from defense budgets *after* superpower conflicts have been resolved or rendered moot. Now, it could only worsen matters. --- Michael Turner (ucbvax!ucbesvax.turner) [1] Please pardon me if I'm slandering one of the more level-headed conservative research organizations. I don't know that much about them. The Heritage Foundation is what came to mind. [2] How to get them down? They say "we'll use the space shuttle!" [3] net.flame article by L. Creighton. (Better than Larry's, but...)