Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1a 7/7/83; site rlgvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!rlgvax!guy From: guy@rlgvax.UUCP (Guy Harris) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Male feminists? Message-ID: <1360@rlgvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 4-Nov-83 14:14:14 EST Article-I.D.: rlgvax.1360 Posted: Fri Nov 4 14:14:14 1983 Date-Received: Mon, 7-Nov-83 03:44:00 EST References: <6058@watmath.UUCP> <1288@burdvax.UUCP> Organization: CCI Office Systems Group, Reston, VA Lines: 23 Association with the goals of gay women's groups is "sordid"? No thanks. It is unfortunate that many (including some who might be sympathetic to the women's movement) are turned off by gays but that's their problem, not gay people's problem. Also, what is "the right to raise a family" and how does it fall under the heading of "women's rights"? The right *not* to raise a family is more important; back before the late 1860's blacks had a perfect right to pick cotton on plantations, but they usually didn't have the right not to do so. There are a lot of issues that might come under the heading of "the right to raise a family"; the right not to be beaten up by one's husband, the right not to have one's children beaten up by one's husband, the right not to get stuck with all the day-to-day tasks of raising the family, the right to get maternity leave without prejudice (and the right to have one's husband get paternity leave, or to have both members of the couple get half-time, or whatever other arrangement suits the couple best) - *and* the right not to have one's children taken away because one is gay. "The right to raise a family" isn't a very clear description, and I wouldn't class it as being "important" while the right not to be discriminated against because of sexual preference is "unimportant". Guy Harris {seismo,inhp4,allegra}!rlgvax!guy