Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!mason From: mason@utcsrgv.UUCP (Dave Mason) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Question on discrimination re the USAF Message-ID: <2675@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Wed, 9-Nov-83 15:46:19 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.2675 Posted: Wed Nov 9 15:46:19 1983 Date-Received: Wed, 9-Nov-83 22:52:36 EST References: <194@ccieng5.UUCP> Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 20 The problem is that everyone sees the world as ruled by sex. Now I'm not above a little indulgence myself every now & then, but I don't understand why people think a man and a woman cannot work together in close quarters without sex being a question, let alone an issue. I think that the main problem is that (depressingly) women are still viewed as sex objects & children producers, servants to the 'real' workers, and I despair of this changing soon. But, in answer to your question, I think it clearly is discrimination, and that things aren't going to get better unless we start making them better. In the extreme case, one could say that having women associating with any men not their husband or blood family will lead to sex problems, and treat women as they do in Iran. There are 2 remaining problems: women are not blameless in the view of male-female relationships presented above, there are too many women who are looking to 'catch a man'; second, if women were added to the job, some problems would doubtless arise. While these could be disciplined, and eventually the problem would go away, in the meantime many people would be (mostly psychologically) hurt. -- Dave Mason, U. Toronto CSRG, {utzoo,linus,cornell,watmath,ihnp4,allegra,floyd,mhsta,decwrl, decvax,uw-beaver,ubc-vision}!utcsrgv!mason