Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site csd1.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!csd1!condict From: condict@csd1.UUCP (Michael Condict) Newsgroups: net.ai Subject: Re: Information sciences vs. physical sciences Message-ID: <140@csd1.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 13:14:34 EST Article-I.D.: csd1.140 Posted: Wed Dec 14 13:14:34 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Dec-83 02:57:22 EST References: <427@eosp1.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 33 It should be pretty clear that some areas of Computer Science qualify as a "science" by anyone's reasonable definition and that other areas, specifically the theory of computation, program logic and verification, mathematical semantics and complexity theory are studied completely within the bounds of the mathematical paradigm. As an example of "scientific" computer science, consider experimentation with various algorithms for paging in a virtual memory system, which might take place not by stating and proving theorems about the algorithms but by carrying out actual physical experiments (running benchmark programs using the various paging algorithms and timing the results). The problem is that to a lot of people the word science means any discipline the study of which typically requires a Ph.D. To them, when you say that Computer Science is not a science, you are saying it is not of equal academic stature when compared to, say, Physics. Perhaps it would be better to assure them quickly that you do not include Mathematics as a science either. Actually, the above definition of science does need a word to go with it, because we frequently want to use such a word in describing someone. The word discipline sometimes suffices, but to a non-academic it is often meaningless (or connotes something like a religious order or Eastern philosophy). And then there is the problem of what to call a person who is engaged in the pursuit of a scholarly discipline, scientific or not. The word "academician" is stuffy and implies working for a university, while the word "scientist" has the obvious problem. The word "scholar" doesn't distinguish beginning graduate students from established pursuers of the discipline. I don't know what the answer is -- I just wanted to help clarify the problem. Michael Condict, Computational Scholar New York University ...cmcl2!csd1!condict