Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 SMI; site sun.uucp Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!decwrl!sun!jfarrell From: jfarrell@sun.uucp (Jerry Farrell) Newsgroups: net.cog-eng Subject: Re: mice, pens, and graphics Message-ID: <379@sun.uucp> Date: Fri, 9-Dec-83 17:53:10 EST Article-I.D.: sun.379 Posted: Fri Dec 9 17:53:10 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 13-Dec-83 01:21:10 EST References: <4291@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 28 Your general point that mice are not as convenient as styli for graphics is valid (somebody at Xerox, I think it was Bob Flegal, once comnpared it to drawing with a brick). But I'm a little surprised at your claim that you have to move your whole arm, elbow, etc. I think this may be an artifact of which mouse you use. I observed a while back that the dePraz mouse (as used in the BLIT) requires a "power grip", which in turn implies large-muscle motions. But the other mice I've used (Hawley [Xerox mechanical], Kirsh [MSI, Sun, others], Lisa's) all are designed for only one or two fingers on top, and enough on the side opposing the thumb to permit finger & wrist manipulation. I just checked on this, and find that I work with a wrist bone planted on the table-top, use wrist rotation for almost any motion in X (I can cover this 80-column window easily), and finger action for small motions in Y (15 lines of text is about the comfortable limit of control). Larger displacements do take arm motion -- but then, so do broad sweeps with a brush. A confounding effect is the location of the sensor -- mechanical designers want to move it back toward the wrist, to make room for the buttons; users want it as close to directly under the index fingertip as possible, to maintain the pointer effect. For frequent changes between keyboard and pointing device, the mouse's stability and cord position make it easier to acquire than a stylus, which is a decided advantage in many UI situations; this and cost probably outweigh the stylus' superiority for fine drawing, especially given the relatively coarse resolution of most existing graphics systems. jf