Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!floyd!vax135!ariel!hou5f!hou5e!hou5d!hogpc!drux3!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uiuccsb!grunwald From: grunwald@uiuccsb.UUCP Newsgroups: net.cog-eng Subject: Re: mice, pens, and graphics - (nf) Message-ID: <4418@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Sat, 10-Dec-83 20:28:24 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.4418 Posted: Sat Dec 10 20:28:24 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 13-Dec-83 03:10:39 EST Lines: 47 #R:umcp-cs:-429100:uiuccsb:19000004:000:2461 uiuccsb!grunwald Dec 10 16:49:00 1983 I've recently been using an HP graphics tablet with a stylus for a VLSI design class. Often times, one spends hours at a time sitting and interacting with (read: screaming at) the workstations. Personelly, for this application, I would perfer a mouse. I've used a Hawley mouse before, connected to a Cadlinc workstation (similar to Sun workstations). I find that with a pen, I need to keep my arm off the tablet. Otherwise, my arm affects the tablet in such a way that the cursor jumps all over the screen. You don't have that kind of trouble with a mouse. I would actually perfer an optical mouse since you don't have some of the problems that you do with the Hawley mouse (the ball bearing slips sometimes, causing your to lose tracking association with the cursor). Also, having two or three buttons available would be nice (although, admittedly, the software would have to be changed to utilize them). I've found that when I use a mouse, I can rest my arm much more, and don't get as tired. Also, the pens used on this particular graphics tablet don't always actuate when you press down (this happens on all four workstations after a while, so it'd not just a single bad tablet). This is annoying, and causes a lot of frustration on the part of the user. I don't think that the mice on the market suffer from the same problem. Also, the wire for the pen is awkward. It gets in your way, mainly because it is so large. It needs to be shielded to get rid of interference from the tablet. The mouse wires are usually much smaller and since for an optical mouse, you only move it on a 4x5 inch surface, there's not much it can get in the way of. Admittedly, this is a small sample size of tablets. I would hate to say that all tablets are useless due to this one experuence. However, for this particular application, I think it was the wrong choice. Where would I recommend tablets? Where people have hardcopy they want to enter. A friend of mine works in a psych lab and uses a digitizer to enter pictures of neurons for processing. They just lay pictures of the nurons on the tablet and trace over them. That would obviously be a poor application for a mouse (and even a pen -- perhaps a puck would be better). But for applications where one draws "free-hand" (i.e. vlsi design) on the screen, I prefer the mouse (so far). Dirk Grunwald University of Illinois USENET : ihnp4 ! uiucdcs ! grunwald CSNET : grunwald.uiuc@Rand-Relay