Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ut-sally.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!ut-sally!jsq From: jsq@ut-sally.UUCP (John Quarterman) Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: What ever happened to Human Rights? Message-ID: <533@ut-sally.UUCP> Date: Tue, 6-Dec-83 11:46:29 EST Article-I.D.: ut-sally.533 Posted: Tue Dec 6 11:46:29 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 9-Dec-83 01:42:49 EST References: <200@ccieng5.UUCP> Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas Lines: 68 It's truly amazing the sort of bigoted responses people have been posting to jobe's flame. Complaining about the words he used was bad enough (this is *net.flame* folks!), but now we have somebody saying he should not refer to blacks as "my people" because that encourages discrimination. Tell that to the Boston Irish, southern whites, Scots, Poles, Puerto Ricans, Haitians, Cubans, or practically any Native American group. The experience of at least two of these groups makes it clear that feelings of "my people" do *not* necessarily cause discrimination and can in fact promote the success of members of the group. (I am, incidentally, a member of two of the above groups.) If you think people have to give up their historical, ethnic, or racial identity to avoid discrimination, why don't you also propose that all blacks dye their skin? It's not how members of the group see themselves that causes discrimination, but how people *outside* the group see the *group*. -- John Quarterman, CS Dept., University of Texas, Austin, Texas {ihnp4,seismo,ctvax}!ut-sally!jsq, jsq@ut-sally.{ARPA,UUCP}