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From: cwa@ihuxm.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: Natural
Message-ID: <752@ihuxm.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 9-Dec-83 14:58:28 EST
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Posted: Fri Dec  9 14:58:28 1983
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Sam, let's take this one point at a time:

Nature does not adhere to some set of pre-ordained laws.  Man's Laws of Nature
(like Physics) only try to explain and then predict what phenomenon or behavior
will or could occur.

Man is a part of nature.  We are not foreign to the Earth.  However, one of the
uses of natural (everybody run and check your dictionary definitions) is 
"without human intervention."  I did not create this usage.  In this sense, 
highways and fences are not "natural."  What does All Natural Ingredients mean
to you on a cereal box?  It is supposed to mean no artificial, or man made, 
substances.

We are at the top of the food chain, and that is what I meant by higher animal.
Cruelty is a purely human term, and it is objective and relative.

I did not intend to promote "the unnaturalness of man."  I do not object to
building highways, fences, buildings, or even bombs.  I only object when people
do not realize the consequences of expanding 'civilization' and later wonder
 how anyone could have let that happen.  Some of the same fools then turn 
against hunters like me, and label us destroyers of "nature's creatures,"
when all along, I, as an informed and responsible hunter, was more supportive 
of and more knowledgable about wild animals.

My view does not, in any way, promote a view or behavior that endangers the
survival of our species.  I regard the survival of my species as a greatly 
desired thing, but I think we can choose the type of earthly environment which
we will survive, and even live in.  We do not have to survive at the expense
of the rest of the world's species.

We, as the most dominant species on this planet, have the most influence as to
what the earth will be like in the future.  I do not feel that stating this is
expressing a man-centered view, it is more a fact of life.

Regarding the 95% of my flames that you oppose, it seems we can agree that
if everyone agreed with 'em, they wouldn't be flames!

Carl W. Amport		Naperville, IL		ihuxm!cwa