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From: twltims@watmath.UUCP (Tracy Tims)
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Subject: Re: Hunters
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Date: Tue, 13-Dec-83 17:34:30 EST
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Posted: Tue Dec 13 17:34:30 1983
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	The point has already been made several times, but you seem to keep
	side-stepping it, Carl.  So, let me put this as clearly and bluntly
	as I can.

	I refuse to ignore the motivation involved in hunting and just look
	at the effects.  Sorry, that's not the way it works.

	I consider anyone who *enjoys* hunting and killing animals emotionally
	disturbed.  It makes no difference to me what they do with the animal
	after they've killed it.

	By the way, I'm not very happy about the way livestock is raised in
	this country, and I do happen to be a vegetarian.  However, I don't
	look down on meat eaters the way I look down on hunters because the
	*motivations* involved are completely different.

		Alan S. Driscoll
		AT&T Bell Laboratories

If you are going to look at motivations, look a little deeper.  My father
hunts.  He does not hunt to *kill*.  Hunting is a game.  He hunts for
the thrill of the game, and the rewards of the game:  he gets to eat deer
meat, which he likes.  My father is not a lucky hunter.  He is very careful,
he knows what he is doing and he hunts with a bow.  I don't think he has
taken a deer in the last two years.  I don't think this has frustrated him
at all.  He just likes being in the bush playing the game.  Killing an
animal is not the important part.  It sounds like you are claiming it is to
support your sense of self-righteousness.

I consider anyone who obviously *enjoys* their own conception of moral
superiority (such as you) disturbed.  Your disturbance probably pervades
more of your social interactions than this conjectured disturbance of
hunters.  You can have fun looking down on me, too.  By the way, I am
not a meat eater, nor do I hunt.

So tell me what you think of fishermen?  And what about people who enjoy
the symbolic killing of capturing the king in a game of chess?

	Tracy Tims	{linus,allegra,decvax,utcsrgv}!watmath!twltims
			The University of Waterloo, 519-885-1211 x2730