Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!ihnp4!cbosgd!cbdkc1!pyuxmm!pyuxnn!pyuxi!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP Newsgroups: net.flame Subject: Re: Flag Waver Speaks Out Message-ID: <383@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 12:46:36 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxn.383 Posted: Wed Dec 14 12:46:36 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Dec-83 03:14:13 EST References: <416@pyuxa.UUCP> Organization: Bell Labs, Piscataway Lines: 17 Symbols (like flags, national anthems, slogans, etc.) *represent* REAL things, like one's country, one's football team, one's favorite something-or-other, etc. The danger in symbols is their being used as *replacements* for the real things they represent. When your reaction to the symbol becomes equivalent to your reaction to what it represents (does this "ring a bell?") you are being subjected to fascistic manipulation. It becomes easy to convince yourself that the war/whatever you didn't believe in ten minutes ago is now a patriotic crusade, by simply avoiding the thinking process and being swept up in the revelry and the symbols. This is what Genji was decrying, and I applaud him/her for the article. Rather than making speeches about loving one's country and how our lives would be altered if we drove on the left side of the road. No apologies necessary, Genji. Unfortunately, those who derided your message will probably be the first to leap into battle "to defend the flag" without first knowing what they're doing (or even where they're going---"Grenada, where's that?") -- Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr