Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.misc,net.religion Subject: Re: Can Creationists Contribute to Science? Message-ID: <588@dciem.UUCP> Date: Fri, 30-Dec-83 14:12:27 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.588 Posted: Fri Dec 30 14:12:27 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 30-Dec-83 17:25:38 EST References: <1330@cbscc.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 23 The draft proposal for a "philosophically neutral" basis or definition for science starts off fine, but becomes self-contradictory the moment it includes both the statement that hypotheses be falsifiable from data obtained in a reproducible manner and the statement that it is permissible to explain some data by divine intervention. This is self-contradictory because ALL data can be explained by divine intervention with no possibility that the hypothesis can be falsified. A scientist may BELIEVE that such-and-such was caused by divine intervention, but as a scientist, the hypothesis must be kept in the background in the anticipation that one more in keeping with Occam's razor will account for the data. Divine intervention for all events in the world is the least parsimonious possible hypothesis (everything is contained in the boundary values, nothing in the laws). Wherever an event can be explained in a way consistent with other events or data, parsimony is increased and the hypothesis becomes more acceptable to a scientist. Sure, scientists can get their ideas from anywhere, and can hold any beliefs, but a philosophically neutral science MUST exclude recourse to a Deus ex Natura -- it's cheating to do otherwise. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,uw-beaver,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt