Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!yale-com!leichter From: leichter@yale-com.UUCP (Jerry Leichter) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: what is the voltage (EARTH based) of ground on the MOON? Message-ID: <2503@yale-com.UUCP> Date: Fri, 2-Dec-83 12:42:59 EST Article-I.D.: yale-com.2503 Posted: Fri Dec 2 12:42:59 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 4-Dec-83 03:19:19 EST References: sri-arpa.14160 Lines: 33 "In particular, two nonpolarizable insulators in an intense electric field..." True, but it sort of begs the original question. If you assume both Earth and moon are truely non-polarizable insulators, then the external electric field has no effect on "the charge on the Moon" relative to Earth, whatever that means. We have to stand back a bit and try to make sense of the question: If the question is: If I consider the Earth and Moon to be more-or-less conducting objects - implicit in the notion of "ground" in the electrical sense, then what I'm asking is: What will a voltmeter read, if one side is attached to the Moon, the other to Earth? In this case, an external xxx (not relevant). Two components contribute to the reading: An Earth- Moon difference in charge - which must be small, by my previous argument - and an outside potential, which would also have to be small, since a conductor placed in such a field WOULD become polarized. If I consider the Earth and Moon to be non-polarizable insulators - which is definitly false, by the way; the Earth's core, at least, is a conductor, and most rocks are quite polarizable crystals - I then have the interesting question: Where is this external field coming from? SOMETHING is alleged to be generating a field between Earth and Moon - but both are moving. So any field would have to be very variable. In fact, such a field probably does exist, centered at the Sun, due to the solar wind, which consists of a lot of charged particles. However, since the Earth and Moon ARE quite polarizable, the field must be pretty small. In this case, you probably don't get nearly as sharp a bound, since you have to figure in the polariza- bility - capacitive constant? Permitivity? - It's been a while - but this is balanced out by the fact that the field must be changing - you would see an attraction whenever the Earth-Moon line was pointing toward the Sun, no effect when it was normal to a solar radius (cosine curve variation). The resulting wavering of the Moon's orbit would be pretty noticable. -- Jerry decvax!yale-comix!leichter leichter@yale