Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houxf.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxf!ho95b!wcs From: wcs@ho95b.UUCP Newsgroups: net.poems Subject: Milton on Rhyme Message-ID: <534@houxf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Dec-83 12:31:13 EST Article-I.D.: houxf.534 Posted: Mon Dec 5 12:31:13 1983 Date-Received: Tue, 6-Dec-83 23:54:44 EST Sender: **RJE**@houxf.UUCP Organization: Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 54 <-- a line for the inscrutable white-space munger Glenn Reid writes: "... I then looked in books by Blake, Shelley, Poe, and others, and I couldn't find a single poem that *didn't* rhyme. And, to tell you the truth, I think most people would agree with me that Blake's poems are better than thw stuff I was reading as "new" poetry. [...] I guess I'm just a "classicist" in that I like a little meter with my rhyme..." Probably the most significant "classicist" in English poetry was John Milton. His preface to "Paradise Lost" contains some classic flames against "Rime". (I've never had the time to get more than halfway through "Paradise Lost", which, although powerful and well-written, is *awfully* slow going.) (He may roll over in his grave hearing his preface referred to as a "flame", but it rather is.) Anyway, here it is, complete with original spelling and capitalization: Paradise Lost A poem in Twelve Books The Verse "The measure is English Heroic Verse, without Rime, as that of Homer in Greek. and of Virgil in Latin; Rime being no necessary Adjunct or true Ornament of Poem od good Verse, in longer Works especially, but the Invention of a barbarous Age, to set off wretched matter and lame Meeter; grac't indeed since by the use of some famous modern Poets, carried away by Custom, but much to their own vexation, hindrance, and constraint, to express many things otherwise, and for the most part worse than they would have exprest them. Not without cause, therefore, some both Italian and Spanish Poets of prime note, have rejected Rime both in longer and shorter Works, as have also, long since our best English Tragedies, as a thing of it self, to all judicious ears, triveal and of no musical delight; which consists only in apt Numbers, fit quantity of Syllables, and the sense variously drawn out from one verse into another, not in the jingling sound of like endings, a fault avoyded by the learned Ancients both in Poetry and all good Oratory. This neglect then of Rime so little is to be taken for a defect, though it may seem so perhaps to vulgar Readers, that it is rather to be esteem'd an example set, the first in English, of ancient liberty recover'd to Heroic Poem from the troublesom and modern bondage of Rimeing." I generally find rhyme a bit tedious, especially rhymed couplets. (I will refrain from further flaming about meterless rhyme as poetry.) On the other hand, I do enjoy some of the generally meterless modern stuff; there's a lot of good imagery that works best as poetry, but would be hampered by either rhyme or meter. Bill