Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!parsec!ctvax!uokvax!andree
From: andree@uokvax.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: War is Inevitable?! - (nf)
Message-ID: <4364@uiucdcs.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 7-Dec-83 05:05:30 EST
Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.4364
Posted: Wed Dec  7 05:05:30 1983
Date-Received: Fri, 9-Dec-83 08:15:11 EST
Lines: 33

#R:astrovax:-15600:uokvax:5000037:000:1265
uokvax!andree    Dec  5 23:07:00 1983

/***** uokvax:net.politics / cvl!cas /  2:16 am  Dec  3, 1983 */
This is exactly what I meant when I said that the nuclear
weapons are an effect of our problems, not a cause.  Clearly we
are in competition with the Soviet Union.  I think this is
because of a scarcity of resources.  Resources are scare (by
definition) because there is not enough to go around.  There is
not enough to go around because there are too many people.
Hence my conclusion that we should be trying to solve (and in
this group discuss solutions to) the population problem rather
than the nuclear weapons problem.

		Cliff Shaffer
		{we13,mcnc,seismo}!rlgvax!cvl!cas
/* ---------- */

I don't agree. I don't think we have a population problem, and I
don't think resources are scarce. We have both plenty of energy
& plenty of food within easy reach, if we would only bother. There
are other net.groups for discussing these things - we might be
discussing how to actually implement those solutions.

What is scarce is FORESIGHT. This is a sympton of our problem,
namely people are silly, or that Murphy & Finagle enjoy irony
(`God is an iron').

In case you haven't noticed, the discussion on nukes IS about
solving the population problem. Or rather, avoiding a drastic
solution (-:.

	<mike