Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Star Spangled Banner Message-ID: <555@dciem.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Dec-83 13:30:15 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.555 Posted: Thu Dec 15 13:30:15 1983 Date-Received: Thu, 15-Dec-83 15:34:34 EST References: <1042@mit-eddie.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 27 ============== Nationalism obsolete? Look at the record of individual nations in creating good environments for their citizens, and then compare this to the major internationalist movements that exist today: It would be ridiculous to suggest that anyone not in the lunatic fringe would prefer the government of the Soviet Union to our own. The U.N. is only slightly less wretched. The E.C., with an elected parliament might be just barely acceptable but it is a worse traveling circus of overpaid paper-pushers than any parliament of its member states. Zig ============== I must be missing something. Neither the UN nor the European Parliament have any authority over their members, and I don't understand how the Soviet Union is an internationalist organization (unless you count the "sovereign" republics of which it is composed). (But if you do that, then the USA is an international organization of 50 sovereign republics -- both arguments were made during the birth pangs of the UN). I hope nationalism isn't obsolete: I hope exclusive nationalism is. Why should one love one's family less for loving one's country more, or one's country less for loving one's world more? -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,uw-beaver,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt