Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site masscomp.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!trb From: trb@masscomp.UUCP (Andy Tannenbaum) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Kashrut and rel. obsolescence Message-ID: <149@masscomp.UUCP> Date: Fri, 9-Dec-83 11:38:08 EST Article-I.D.: masscomp.149 Posted: Fri Dec 9 11:38:08 1983 Date-Received: Sat, 10-Dec-83 22:25:35 EST References: <424@reed.UUCP> Organization: MASSCOMP, Littleton, MA Lines: 37 Gil Moskowitz asks: If one is Jewish, one is expected to at least be aware of the laws, and if one finds personal reasons to follow them which do not have 'official sanction,' who are we to say no? Why does it matter as long as no harm is done to other people and one is happy with ones choice(s)? In my opinion, certainly NO ONE has the right to control the personal practices of another (unless those practices infringe on another's personal rights, etc). I never said anything of the sort. My point once again, short and sweet: Judaism dictates a set of rules. You can follow them and be in accord with Jewish law. You can choose to not follow them and not be in accord with Jewish law. You cannot not follow them and be in accord with Jewish law, to take this tack is a shallow masquerade. I choose to not follow many Jewish laws, and I don't pretend that I've got special dispensation and that it's ok by Jewish standards. Again, as I've said before, to tell the net readers that Jewish laws are based on health practises or other customs is not in accord with historical mainstream Jewish belief. The organized relaxed non-observance of Jewish law is not more than 100 years old, and is a step away from religious observance. Making up your own rules as you go along is a charade, I can't respect a system which allows such games. To say that Jewish belief condones such charades is misleading to the uninformed (re Jewish law) readers in netland. That's where the harm is and that's why it matters (to answer Gil's question). Note well that I'm not saying (and have never said) that a Jew who doesn't observe the Jewish laws is any less a Jew. No Jew is any more a Jew than any other, just as no person is any more a person than any other. I'm just talking about my aversion to making up rules as you go along. Andy Tannenbaum Masscomp Inc Westford MA (617) 692-6200 x274