Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pegasus.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!clyde!ihnp4!houxm!hogpc!pegasus!avi From: avi@pegasus.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: God's gender and name Message-ID: <826@pegasus.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 02:29:21 EST Article-I.D.: pegasus.826 Posted: Wed Dec 14 02:29:21 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Dec-83 01:20:24 EST References: <662@ssc-vax.UUCP> <2920@utcsrgv.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Lincroft NJ Lines: 50 The first block of Dave Sherman's message was truncated, so I am not sure what he said about the writing of "G-ds" name. Historically, once a name is used long enough as a substitute for THE NAME, then it becomes holy and imbued with the same spirit as the first one. To not offend anyone, I will put hyphens in all the names I will mention. Originally, the four letter word used to describe G-d was Y-H-W-H which is all consonants. You have to guess where the vowels would be, or which consonants can be pronounced like vowels. Some people have mistakenly decided to pronounce this as Y-a-h-w-e-h or J-e-h-o-v-a-h, but I don't believe that anyone really knows how to pronounce it. When this word is read by Orthodox jews from a Torah, it is pronounced as A-d-o-n-a-i, which means "My L-rd" and has the same vowels that normally are supposed to accompany the four-letter name (thats another story. Hebrew can have all types of diacritical marks above, below, after and within the letters that specify the vowel that accompanies the consonant as well as the inflection of that part of the word and how it is trilled and ......) Anyway, to get back to the story, the A-d-o-n-a-I version has become sacred, and is not to be profaned. So, when you are not actually using the substitute name in a prayer or the equivalent -- such as when you are just telling someone else which blessing they have to make, the word is replaced by "H-a-s-h-e-m", which is Hebrew for "THE NAME". Of course, by now, even that has holy overtones. I am not sure why Jews would consider the word "G-O-D" written in other languages to be holy. However, there are other Hebrew words for G-d that are deliberately pronounced wrong, such as ELOKIM instead of E-l-o-h-i-m. I personally have no major problem with such names. I reccommend the story "The nine billion names of G-d" by Arthur C. Clarke. ### ##### # # Avi # # # # # # ### # # # ###### # ###### ## ##### ## Gross # # # # # # # # # ## # # # # # # #### # # # # (read from right to left, of course) Not afraid to sign my name, -- -=> Avi E. Gross @ AT&T Information Systems Laboratories (201) 576-6241 suggested paths: [ihnp4, allegra, cbosg, utcsstat, hogpc, ...]!pegasus!avi