Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 v7 ucbtopaz-1.5; site ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!ucbcad!ucbvax!ucbtopaz!bitmap From: bitmap@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics,net.tv.da Subject: re: Re: How to Decrease the Chances of Total Destruction Message-ID: <355@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> Date: Thu, 8-Dec-83 02:44:25 EST Article-I.D.: ucbtopaz.355 Posted: Thu Dec 8 02:44:25 1983 Date-Received: Sun, 4-Dec-83 09:04:01 EST Organization: Univ. of Calif., Berkeley CA USA Lines: 34 ...Mike Kelly reports: >Right on, Jim! But wait until you see the stream of >rationalizations that come streaming in from all the nuke >reseachers and military software engineers. Reminds me of a line >from the recent film, "The Big Chill". One character suggests that >rationalizations are more important than sex. "Ever try to go a >week without a rationalization?" he asks. What about it, military >researchers? Ever try that? This is a simple "McCarthyism" to preempt debate. You assume that whatever group is "bad" (military researchers?), then suggest that any response from this group will be "rationalizations" (or somehow, invalid) because they have a vested interest in being in that group. So, e.g., the pope can't talk about Catholicism, or, at least, we should a priori dismiss anything he has to say on the subject, because of his vested interest in the subject ("just wait 'til the pope comes back with some preachy platitude about..."). As a simple student (with no income from any defense-related activity--is that a prerequisite for you to listen to me, Mike?), I see unilateral disarmament as ineffective and, quite possibly, dangerous. That's my current opinion, but I see no reason to prejudge any arguments to the contrary, or to try to discourage responses (isn't "open discussion" a reason for having the net?). Nor do I view military research, per se, as "bad". You are welcome to express a different opinion, Mike; I just wish you wouldn't be so self-righteous about it. Sam Hall {decvax}!ucbvax!bitmap@ucbtopaz "Now just wait until Mike Kelly or his ilk comes back with some asinine, sneering remark", right?