Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ssc-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!clyde!floyd!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!marla From: marla@ssc-vax.UUCP (Marla S Baer) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Girl vs Woman Message-ID: <681@ssc-vax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Dec-83 18:23:38 EST Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.681 Posted: Wed Dec 14 18:23:38 1983 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Dec-83 03:22:12 EST Organization: Boeing Aerospace, Seattle Lines: 47 x According to my dictionary, the word girl means, a female child; a young unmarried woman.As to the first definition, I feel I made my point in a previous article. As to the second: In today's society, a woman's marital status is STILL very important, whereas that of a man is not. The term girl, is not appropriate if the woman is married. But, why should anyone in the working environment know, or care what the marital stats of a particular woman is? (I'm not talking of personal conversation/ friends, etc.) In common usage, the term girl is used in two different ways. The first is said between friends, as in I'm going out with the girls (which is usually used by older women, who grew up in a different atmosphere, at least, I've never heard any of my friends refer to themselves as "the girls"), or as used in songs ,etc. I'm not complaining about this usage. It's the second, the one commonly heard in the working environment by men when refering to women, especially those benieth them in the corporate structure. It usually is used to indicate that the person in question is not an equal, is a servant, or is beneith notice. It is used to indicate incompetance (as in too young and inexperienced to know better). Even though most men won't admit to the term being an insuult, or of meaning it that way, the inference is there. If you ask a group of men to describe a girl you will get a completely different answer than if you ask them to describe a woman. The description you will get of a girl is usually that of a young child or teenager. The description you will get of a woman is a mature adult. I'm not saying that the term girl is in itself derogatory, or that the people using it are being insulting intentionally. This is an inherent problem in our language. People have to be reeducated in their speech as times change. This is how language evolves. Language which was unacceptable in times past is now in common usage. And words which were in common usage are now either unused, or totally unacceptable. Marla S. Baer ssc-vax!marla P.S. Please forgive my ramblings/typos. I still haven't figured out this editor completely yet (I wish this system had EDT keypad editing!! :-) ) -MB