Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!ntt From: ntt@dciem.UUCP (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: net.astro Subject: Re: Solstice =/= Earliest Sunset? Message-ID: <597@dciem.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jan-84 13:28:05 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.597 Posted: Wed Jan 4 13:28:05 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Jan-84 15:43:01 EST References: <4696@decwrl.UUCP>, <2139@allegra.UUCP>, <3540@hp-pcd.UUCP> Organization: NTT Systems Inc., Toronto, Canada Lines: 52 It appears that the explanations given by hpfcla!ajs (Alan Silverstein) and allegra!karn (Phil Karn) are both correct; I checked a couple of books and saw explanations like this: ...the days are not of equal length. The earth's orbit is elliptical, not circular, and the earth moves more rapidly when near the sun and more slowly when farther away. Also, the earth's axis of rotation is tipped relative to the orbit. These two phenomena cooperate to make the `apparent' sun first run ahead of and then lag behind its average position. To avoid the inconvenience of changing the rate of our clocks from day to day, we employ `mean' instead of `apparent solar time' for practical use. --Donald H. Menzel in `A Field Guide to the Stars & Planets' Incidentally, the fact that the orbit is elliptical has another effect besides the variation of orbital speed; it means that the sun is not at the center of the orbit, but is about 1.5 million miles from it, i.e., at one focus. I don't really understand how these effects combine to give the actual result, though, which is more complicated than Phil Karn said. In fact, when I think about it, I don't understand why the axial tilt matters at all, except perhaps to modify the *amount* of the effects of the elliptical orbit. Those effects alone, I should think, will give longest and shortest apparent days (i.e. noon to noon, nothing to do with longest and shortest periods of daylight, which depend only on the axial tilt) at the aphelion and perihelion, which is to say, the equation of time should be changing most rapidly then. The actual equation of time, from Menzel's book, however, exhibits FOUR, not two, lobes in the year, and all of them are unequal. A table is given, which I will summarize now. Again, `equation of time' means apparent time minus mean time, and is the correction to *subtract* from the time on a sundial to give the actual time (after allowing for longitude and daylight time!). I start at Feb. 14 when the ET is at its minimum. All the dates are estimated because the table is every 5 days. However, it is clear that neither the solstice/equinox dates of about the 21st of Mar./June/Sep./Dec. (based on axial tilt) nor the aphelion/perihelion dates of about the 3rd of Jan./July (based on elliptical orbit) appear directly in the table. In the first column I give days from Feb. 14. 0(365) Feb 14 ET = -14.3 min. major minimum 61 Apr 16 ET = 0 (and increasing 14 seconds/day) 90 May 15 ET = +3.7 min. lesser maximum 121 Jun 15 ET = 0 (and decreasing 13 seconds/day) 165 Jul 29 ET = -6.4 min. lesser minimum 200 Sep 2 ET = 0 (and increasing 19 seconds/day) 265 Nov 6 ET = +16.3 min. major maximum 315 Dec 26 ET = 0 (and decreasing 30 seconds/day) Mark Brader