Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!spoo From: spoo@utcsrgv.UUCP (Suk Lee) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: High Quality Recordings Message-ID: <3037@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Thu, 5-Jan-84 12:54:42 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.3037 Posted: Thu Jan 5 12:54:42 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Jan-84 13:31:13 EST References: <355@whuxk.UUCP> Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 58 As has already been pointed out, Sax and Mayorga were touting the "below noise" performance of analog systems versus the "below zero" performance of digital systems, but without considering *DITHERED* digital system. I hope everybody out there on the net realizes that with dither, digital systems can recover information below zero. The function of dither is to remove the correlation between the signal and the quantization noise. The resulting quantization noise looks like uniform white noise. Another point to consider is the nasty modulation noise encountered in analog recording: it too is correlated noise as is quantization noise. Second to last comment: Sax commented on the "Phase shift on the high end is unprecendentedly large compared to analog tape recording." True, but it is a smooth phase shift, there are phase anomalies all over recording systems, and (here we go) at high frequencies, phase shift simply is not significant. At high frequencies there is absolutely no mechanism for detecting phase shifts within the auditory system. At lower frequencies (those with wavelengths larger than approx. the size of your head), phase shift becomes important, but certainly not at 10 kHz. One final comment: At the expense of seeming cynical, I would point out that certain people in the music industry have a high investment in analog systems, and are less than impartial when debating the subject. I think the worst example of this is the stance Ivor Tiefenbrun is taking (Linn Products). His rabid anti-digital ravings show that someone who has been "in the field" for some time will not be necessarily more well informed than anyone else. From the pooped paws of: Suk Lee ..!(decvax,linus,allegra)!utzoo!utcsrgv!spoo No nasty letters!