Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houxm.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!5121cdd From: 5121cdd@houxm.UUCP (C.DORY) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: differences in sounds of CD players Message-ID: <670@houxm.UUCP> Date: Wed, 11-Jan-84 10:54:51 EST Article-I.D.: houxm.670 Posted: Wed Jan 11 10:54:51 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Jan-84 01:00:12 EST References: <773@drufl.UUCP>, <372@hound.UUCP> Organization: Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 44 Boys, Boys...are we forgetting all the anolog circuitry in the CD player? There are about as many unique realizations of these analog circuits (i.e., anti-aliasing filter, reconstruction filter, line-level circuitry, etc.) as there are currently available CD players. Not to mention, some manufacturers utilize over-sampling techniques, both digital and analog filtering, etc., etc... If, of course, you believe the rave reviews in Audio, Stereo Review, and High Fidelity, these varying executions of CD players make no difference whatsoever -- remember, these mags live off the advertising revenue from audio-equipment manufacturers. The CD has received the biggest media hype the audio industry has seen. (Has anyone seen a bad review in one of these mags lately?) There are other IMPORTANT aspects to audio equipment performance than simply THD distortion specs and magnitude response (erroneously called "frequency response") alone. What about time-domain response? We are attempting (through the recording chain) to recreate musical performances so that we can enjoy them time and time again. Music is NOT time independent --a bassoon sounds like a bassoon when its frequency and time components are reproduced accurately. (These are not usubstantiated claims -- much of the recent work of Deane Jensen - Jensen Transformers, John Bau - Spica Loudspeakers, Mile Nestorovic - Nestorovic Loudspeakers, John Meyer - Meyer Sound Labs, Patrick Duran - Horus Music, John Curl, (the list goes on...) is focused on TIME DOMAIN accuracy of their components. It is very important, also, to note what type of music is listened to in making subjective judgments in audio equipment. No offense, but there is little "true stereo" information in current Rock/Pop and most of the Jazz recordings -- Supertramp - "Crime of the Century" and Pink Floyd - "Dark Side of the Moon" and "The Wall" are notable exceptions, however. Most of the Pop/Rock and jazz recordings are made with the recording console as an integral "instrument" in the compositions and, therefore, these recordings are multi-mono. True stereo ONLY comes from simple miking techniques (two and at most three mics with the best results from coincident techniques). What I'm getting at, is that unless that your source is of unimpeachable quality (I know of few), your system is accurate (well?), you have an excellent listening room (noisy fridge, flimsy walls?) there is no way you can make many of the subjective judgments that I see made here on the net and in the mags. Craig Dory -- AT&T Bell Laboratories Holmdel, NJ