Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!wjh12!n44a!ima!inmet!gwes From: gwes@inmet.UUCP Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: differences in sounds of CD players - (nf) Message-ID: <749@inmet.UUCP> Date: Thu, 19-Jan-84 23:45:31 EST Article-I.D.: inmet.749 Posted: Thu Jan 19 23:45:31 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 23-Jan-84 02:49:32 EST Lines: 34 #R:drufl:-77300:inmet:2600029:000:1716 inmet!gwes Jan 16 14:00:00 1984 Re: distortion perceptions, time delays, and reviews 1) Up to 3% (or so) of CORRELATED 2nd harmonic distortion is often not perceived. It is often first noticed as "warmth" in the sound. HIGHER ORDER or UNCORRELATED distortions (time domain) are much more easily perceived, at the low levels of .05% or below. In general, the higher order distortions are much more unpleasant in smaller quantities. 2) The one area of time domain measurements I have done indicates extreme sensitivity to time delays for ambience and placement information. Movements of speaker elements of approximately 1 inch (= 80 microseconds) can be distinguished by comparisons. Proper time correlation is recognized as an "open window" effect, with instrument placement becoming definite. Time delays in filters seem to generate the same type of effects. I have not been able to run controlled experiments to properly examine this, however, the psychoacoustics folks often use Bessel filters for their experiments because of the uniform delay characteristics. They don't (often) care so much about the amplitude ripple. 3) If you really want to get useful information from the advertising noise in Audio, etc., read the reviews carefully. Absence of praise and exact wording is very important. The classic example is the review that praises the beautiful styling of the unit, and leaves performance to last. The reviewer is probably obligated to praise SOMETHING. If he doesn't like the sound, you will notice qualifiers or lack of definition in the review. The graphs and tables DO give you the objective data. Read them. The subjective data can be obtained by subtracting the hype offset. Geoff Steckel (harpo!inmet!gwes)