Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utcsrgv.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsrgv!mart From: mart@utcsrgv.UUCP (Mart Molle) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Fast driving... Another way to save fuel Message-ID: <3170@utcsrgv.UUCP> Date: Sat, 21-Jan-84 14:46:09 EST Article-I.D.: utcsrgv.3170 Posted: Sat Jan 21 14:46:09 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 21-Jan-84 15:45:02 EST References: <3418@tekecs.UUCP> Organization: CSRG, University of Toronto Lines: 47 > > *** > * Both my cars (Volvo 122, Saab 99) will get better mileage at a nice steady > * 80 than a guzzler will ever get at any speed. Change the cars, not the road. > * > * --Jim Bray (decvax!bbncca!jbray) > ** > > Mr. Bray apparently feels that it's an infringement of his freedom not to > be able to go 80, but it's not an infringement of his freedom to be > prevented from buying, say, a Cadillac. > > Jeff Winslow (jeffw@tekecs.UUCP) The real point here is that pro-55 people are unwilling to set any PERFORMANCE STANDARDS about fuel consumption. Instead, they are saying `we will enforce THIS SOLUTION to conserve fuel'. Notice that this solution creates no incentive for me, personally, to try harder. I can feel good about buying a [generic] Cadillac and driving it at 55 even tho I could have purchased, say, a [generic] Rabbit turbo-diesel and driven it at, say, 90mph and STILL burned less fuel. Why should I pay extra for an `equivalent car' (eg. Chevy Celebrity vs. Malibu?) or settle for `less car' for the same money (eg. Audi 5000 vs. Cadillac?) just to save some fuel? Obviously Mr. Winslow would not be impressed. Now, how about another approach to the problem of reducing fuel consumption. Why not insert a fuel flow limiter between the gas tank and the engine to limit the fuel flow to some fixed upper bound, set the speed limit to some sensible value chosen without regard for its alleged fuel savings, and let everyone drive at whatever speed they choose in whatever car they choose. Suddenly the `Cadillac' owner running at 50mph will notice he can go 55 without the air conditioner on all the time. Perhaps he will also notice all the `Audi' drivers whizzing by at the speed limit [of say 70mph?] and buy a more efficient car next time. Obviously, this would require inspections to make sure the thing isn't defeated in some way (such as a bipass, or a hidden fuel reservoir between it and the engine). To me, the concept seems no more of an infringement than having to let the electric utility put a seal on the distribution panel in my basement so I don't change the 100amp main fuse inside. If you like the idea but feel it is unfair to those who lust after gas guzzlers and can afford to pay for the privilege, there could always be some optional flow limiters with higher maximum rates, for which you had to pay a progressive (as in income tax?) annual tax... Mart L. Molle University of Toronto