Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!hpda!fortune!dsd!dna From: dna@dsd.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: Who's Next? Message-ID: <227@dsd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jan-84 15:08:29 EST Article-I.D.: dsd.227 Posted: Wed Jan 4 15:08:29 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 6-Jan-84 02:36:13 EST Lines: 44 Subject: Re: Who's Next? - (nf) Newsgroups: net.micro Who's next? Really, who is now? I agree with the argument that UCSD-Pascal was just another fad (along with Forth). CPM is here to stay. It has the advantage of simplicity. Everyone knows CPM. I also agree that UNIX will *NOT* be the next major O.S. for micro's. In order for something to beat out CPM, it has to have more advantages than dissadvantages. For the novice user, UNIX just plain stinks. It us hard to use. It is cryptic. It has horrible error messages. And lastly is is much too easy to do horrible damage to your files without even trying (very hard). Further (as has also been mentioned several times before) it requires excessive amounts of central memory and disc storage. Lastly, the multi-tasking features of UNIX (at least all the implementations I have inventigated) are buried so far down into the KERNEL that user programs can not use them. (yeah, I know you can pipe things all over the place and spawn processes, but get them to talk to each other in real time.) Why should anyone WANT to use UNIX (other than the 'fad' aspect of it). No, I don't believe that UNIX(tm) is the next popular O.S. for micros. If it weren't for the public abhoration for anything INTEL does until some outside vendor changes the name and sells it, I would say RMX-86 would stand a good chance. It has reasonable multi-tasking facilities and a semi-acceptable command interpreter. This does bring to light the two-sided nature of the next 'popular' O.S. First of all it will have to support multi-users/multi-tasks. Secondly it will have to *LOOK* like CPM/MSDOS/... Now for all you UNIX(tm) fans out there, don't fret. It will also have to support a UNIX(tm) shell. What is this fantastic system going to be? It beats the heck out of me. Everyone I have talked to is either playing 'catch up' or is trying to band-aid currently existing systems to do more and more. Little effort has been given to taking one of the multi-tasking packages and build reasonable support utilities over it. (You pick it, VRTX or MTOS are supported on several machines including the 68k and '86). The only integrated package for a micro that I know that does all this is RMX-86, and it is an INTEL product. It also only runs on an 8086 and (here goes again) is written in PLM-86. So what is the answer? Don't ask me, I only have the questions. Mike Spann == Relay from packet radio net ==