Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fluke.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!microsoft!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!fluke!kurt From: kurt@fluke.UUCP (Kurt Guntheroth) Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: Who's Next? Message-ID: <868@vax2.fluke.UUCP> Date: Mon, 9-Jan-84 12:04:36 EST Article-I.D.: vax2.868 Posted: Mon Jan 9 12:04:36 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Jan-84 04:07:47 EST References: <1521@rlgvax.UUCP> Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Everett, Wash Lines: 33 UNIX(TM AT&T) user-hostile? Well...maybe it is the version of UNIX you use that is user hostile. Take XENIX(TM Microsoft). It is (somewhat) more user-hostile than you might expect because Microsoft had to cram about 30Mbyte of UNIX into 5Mbyte of disk space so it would fit on small winchesters. Sure the commands got some useful options stripped out. Sure error message strings became more terse. Sure all the commands aren't there. That's not UNIX, its XENIX. I use 4.1 BSD UNIX and I just don't see that it is too terse. Sure there are some things about (any) UNIX that could be better. I wish I could undelete a UNIX file the way I can on TOPS-20, I like the TOPS-20 command completion operators and help. Every operating system has unique nice features. If UNIX takes too much filespace on your system, it is not UNIX's fault. Get another disk. If UNIX runs too slow, it is not UNIX's fault. Get a faster CPU and be grateful you don't have to support the overhead of an IBM operating system. UNIX does require a minimum level of resources that is greater than what CP/M(TM DRI) uses, but what do you expect. You want to plug an operating system with an 80K kernel into your Z80 and have it be just as fast as your CP/M's 4K 'kernel'? Gimme a break! I think UNIX will be the next popular operating system. The kernel (which contains no error messages you should ever see) is sound and really quite efficient. The commands can be repaired and will be when the market demands it. UNIX is the kernel and the shell. The commands are not 'really' even part of UNIX. We alrealy can almost afford the kind of computer that can run UNIX. In a year or two we will. Get ready for UNIX. You'll hate CP/M when you have a real computer. -- Kurt Guntheroth John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc. {uw-beaver,decvax!microsof,ucbvax!lbl-csam,allegra,ssc-vax}!fluke!kurt