Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site bbncca.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!bbncca!sdyer From: sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: NAMBLA RESOLUTION Message-ID: <486@bbncca.ARPA> Date: Sun, 15-Jan-84 21:43:35 EST Article-I.D.: bbncca.486 Posted: Sun Jan 15 21:43:35 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 16-Jan-84 01:49:14 EST References: <485@bbncca.ARPA> Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 36 Will, I really have got to hear your own opinions about the NAMBLA resolution you posted. I have a hard time taking it seriously because it seems so incredibly naive about the nature of children and their place in our society. If one accepts the implicit assumption buried within the NAMBLA resolution, namely, that children are simply smaller adults, then all of the assumptions in the document logically follow. But, if one cannot (as I cannot) accept this, the statements read as simply bizarre. Perhaps this is because we haven't defined what a "child" is for the purposes of this resolution. If you talk about self-determination for 16 or 17 year olds, I am less likely to gasp than if we are discussing food co-ops run by 4 year olds. Marty's flame, though it had more emotion than substance, did bring up a few good points. Children (notwithstanding the fact that we don't have a definition here) are "weaker" than adults, both physically and emotionally, and as such deserve some kind of protection against exploitation. Society and the family have structures set up which attempt to provide this. (Whether they succeed is another issue, certainly not one which arises out of this NAMBLA resolution.) The resolution presented here looks surprisingly like the typical USENET reductio-ad-absurdum argument, but with a large amount of self-interest added: 1.) As a self-determining being, I can choose to have sex with others capable of self-determination who agree to have sex with me. 2.) Children are self-determining beings. 3.) Therefore, I can have sex with children who agree to have sex with me. Where does NAMBLA get off assuming proposition #2 is true? I think a little explanation is in order. -- /Steve Dyer decvax!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbncca