Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site hou5a.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!harpo!eagle!hou5h!hou5a!trc From: trc@hou5a.UUCP (Tom Craver) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: The Fallacy of Faith Message-ID: <487@hou5a.UUCP> Date: Thu, 12-Jan-84 16:14:12 EST Article-I.D.: hou5a.487 Posted: Thu Jan 12 16:14:12 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Jan-84 07:27:47 EST Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Holmdel, NJ Lines: 71 I would like to comment upon a fallacy that I have seen go essentially un-challenged. Personally, I find it rather saddening that no scientist made the comment rather than me, a mere programmer type. The statement has been made that science is a religion, because both science and those systems that are commonly called religions are based at the most fundamental level upon faith. This is false. Science is not based upon faith. Faith is the acceptance of the truth of an idea without evidence. Axioms are *not* accepted upon this basis. Axioms are derived by induction from observed reality, and are generally self evident to a human (EG "I exist"). (Which is not to say that a human mind cannot become so ruined by faith as to reject these things.) Hence, the axiom that nature is "regular" is based upon observing that the universe "behaves" in a manner consistent with past behavior, in a given context. Only *counter-evidence* invalidates an axiom, and if there is strong evidence in support of the axiom, the counter evidence must be equally strong in nature. (EG a second hand report that the world has suddenly become flat can be discounted, since there is strong evidence that the universe does not operate that way.) Someone is sure to say "well, you have to have faith that your axioms wont be shown to be incorrect". Not at all. One can be quite willing to accept *evidence* showing an axiom incorrect. As long as the axiom "works", no evidence will have been found (since only a failure of the axiom would be evidence against it). Hence there is no problem with using it until such an event. As soon as a real exception to the the axiom is found (IE it doesnt work), the axiom must be modified or replaced to fit the new evidence plus valid old evidence. Then the new axiom takes on the same status the old axiom held. The mere fact that an axiom *could* be found incorrect does not invalidate the idea of basing one's reasoning upon axioms. Science is based upon *axioms*, not faith. Religion is based upon faith. Evolution, as a product of science, *could* be proven incorrect. But it *would* have to be proven incorrect, because it has strong evidence, and is consistent with the axioms of science. Creationism, as a product of religion, does *not* have to be *proven* incorrect, since it has never provided strong evidence for its correctness, and because it is in opposition to well established axioms of science. In short, creationism is based upon faith and religion (which is in turn based upon faith), and cannot be considered science without first invalidating the axioms of science. Science and creationism (faith) *are* incompatible. It is *not* true that an "article of faith" (EG "God exists" or "The universe was Created") requires conclusive counter-evidence to invalidate it. Such things are based upon little or no indicative evidence, and typically are contradicted by other, stronger evidence (as is the case with evolution vs creation of life). Also, such evidence as tends to support them tends, over time, to be found explainable within the axioms of science. What saddens me about the acceptance of faith as the basis for science is that it will eventually mean the end to real science. Creationism provides a good example of how this may come about. The objective of the creationists is *not* truth, but establishing their idea of what the truth *should* be. Once creationism has achieved the sanction of good science, it will have attained its goal, so far as it is concerned with science. Hence it can turn from seeking favor with science, to inhibiting it - so that it will not have to continually sew new patches across its rotten fabric, as new (even minor) discoveries rip it wide. Faith has a more direct effect, however. Once faith becomes acceptable as a basis for "creation of hypotheses", scientists will be admitting that reason is not required to create the products of reason. Another of those products is the in-validation of a hypothesis. This will be the next to fall. The nature of faith is that it rejects the validity of evidence. Without valid evidence, nothing can be proven invalid. Hence any hypothesis can only be judged upon subjective standards - does it "feel" right or does it insult one (by contradicting one's other opinions, hence making one look bad). Tom Craver hou5a!trc