Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houxz.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!halle1 From: halle1@houxz.UUCP (J.HALLE) Newsgroups: net.physics,net.followup Subject: Re: More on Cold Bottles of Coke Message-ID: <631@houxz.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Jan-84 11:41:02 EST Article-I.D.: houxz.631 Posted: Wed Jan 4 11:41:02 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Jan-84 01:05:23 EST References: <134@cubsvax.UUCP> Organization: Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 12 The comment about the skater is wrong on two counts. First, the pressure exerted is much greater than given. Skates are hollow ground, making the edge much less than 1/16". That explains what is meant by "inside edge", eg. Why else does sharpening the skates work so well? Friction cannot be the process, since that would melt the ice you're leaving, not the stuff you're on. Second, the ice is very close to the freezing point. The water underneath is above the freezing point, so the ice cannot be much colder. The heat loss comes from the water, not the ice. (ultimately, of course, not directly) Even if the ice is not over water, in most instances it will still be very close to the freezing point.