Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site fortune.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!harpo!ihnp4!fortune!rpw3 From: rpw3@fortune.UUCP Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Ice I, Ice II, etc. request for a r - (nf) Message-ID: <2240@fortune.UUCP> Date: Wed, 11-Jan-84 11:05:55 EST Article-I.D.: fortune.2240 Posted: Wed Jan 11 11:05:55 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 12-Jan-84 04:20:21 EST Sender: notes@fortune.UUCP Organization: Fortune Systems, Redwood City, CA Lines: 34 #R:mhuxm:-117400:fortune:8600007:000:1566 fortune!rpw3 Jan 11 05:57:00 1984 Please excuse the ancient reference, it was just the closest book I could pull off a mechanical engineer's desk. Any good thermo text should do equally well. "Thermodynamics", John Francis Lee & Francis Weston Sears, Addison-Wesley (1955) <> (Second printing July 1956) On pp.35ff, section 2-5 "p-vpT surfaces for real substances" the phase diagrams (pressure-volume-Temperature vs. state) are given for typical substances that contract on freezing (such as carbon dioxide) and those that expand on freezing (such as water). Since there are four variables to be shown in two dimensions, the diagrams tend to be perspective drawings of a cutaway view of a solid that's been sliced weird. Still, you can see what's going on. Fig 2-11 (page 39) shows the p-v-T "surface" for water/ice, showing at least seven different forms of ice (from Ice I to Ice VII, naturally) which can occur under various (mostly high) pressures. The fun part is the broad ranges where multiple states can exist at the same time, such as water/ice-VII (80-100 degrees C @ 22-24,000 atmospheres) or ice-V/ice-VI (-40-0 C at about 6000 atm). Liquid doesn't seem to exist under any conditions below about -23 C, so if (as I claimed in "ice skates") skates work by compression-melting, they do it above -20 C. I have not been able to find Kurt Vonnegut's Ice-IX except in "Cat's Cradle" :-) Rob Warnock UUCP: {sri-unix,amd70,hpda,harpo,ihnp4,allegra}!fortune!rpw3 DDD: (415)595-8444 USPS: Fortune Systems Corp, 101 Twin Dolphins Drive, Redwood City, CA 94065