Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site wu1.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!decvax!harpo!floyd!cmcl2!rocky2!cubsvax!wu1!rf From: rf@wu1.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Good and evil Message-ID: <224@wu1.UUCP> Date: Tue, 3-Jan-84 20:24:09 EST Article-I.D.: wu1.224 Posted: Tue Jan 3 20:24:09 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Jan-84 01:27:05 EST References: <447@ihuxq.UUCP>, <448@ihuxq.UUCP> Organization: Western Union Telegraph, Mahwah, NJ Lines: 35 A nit first: the belief in free will is orthodox *Catholic*, not orthodox Christian! Now for the the meat of the matter: why is the world such a harsh place? Please note: these are not answers I necessarily like. A Calvinist answer: to strengthen the faithful. If people are to become morally strong and yet independent of their creator, they must live in a place where they can learn moral strength. Beings with free will could not become morally strong in a gentle world. The world must be dangerous and even a bit harsh, or it is useless. A pagan answer (I think it's that old, anyway): the world wasn't made only for man. Our distress over the world's harshness may be analogous to the rabbit's complaint over coyotes; insigni- ficant in the scheme of things. Another pagan answer: the material world is fundamentally evil. All that is good is spirit. Gnostic (Christian heresy) variant: the world was created by the devil when god wasn't looking. Another variant of this is found in Judaic Kabalistic mysticism: god created the world by withdrawing himself from part of it. The world is what rushed in to fill the void. A spiritualist answer: the world was created by imperfect spirits newly cast out of the godhead; ignorant and innocent as babes. By creating the world and incarnating themselves within it they shall return to the godhead. When first incarnate, most spirits prefer learning the hard way--therefore the harshness of the world. When old, wise, and ready to leave the world, they've learned better ways--therefore the joys of the world. Randolph Fritz