Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site kobold.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!kobold!tjt From: tjt@kobold.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Truth in Philosophy of Science Message-ID: <251@kobold.UUCP> Date: Wed, 11-Jan-84 22:35:54 EST Article-I.D.: kobold.251 Posted: Wed Jan 11 22:35:54 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 13-Jan-84 05:27:21 EST References: mit-eddi.1137 <214@wxlvax.UUCP> <1161@mit-eddie.UUCP> Organization: Masscomp, Westford, MA Lines: 59 Greg Skinner (mit-eddie!gds) says: However, a statement such as 2 + 2 = 4 is not true by virtue of the symbology itself, but by the physical equivalents of the symbols. The statement 1 + 1 = 3 would not be false if one could logically construct a world in which a whole theory of numbers followed from this, but in our world such a statement has no physical equivalent. This closely echos Alan Wexelblat (wxlvax!awex): One interesting note is that geometry is the only thing that is *a posterioir analytically* true, in that it is ture by virtue of the way that the world if, but we can still construct proofs about it. This is the case for both Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometries; the only difference is what you assume the universe to be like. I would take a third approach and claim that in the context of a *mathematical theory*, making 2 + 2 = 4 or 1 + 1 = 3 are equally valid, as are both Euclidean and non-Euclidean geometries. However, theories where 2 + 2 = 4 are more interesting than those where 1 + 1 = 3 because they appear to more closely model our own world. The *theory* is is always "a priori analytically* true while a *model* is always *a posteriori synthetically* true. A theory is a game that can do whatever you want it to, but a model maps concepts of the theory onto objects and actions in the real world, and must agree with experimental evidence. Therefore, when a theory fails to model new experimental evidence, the theory has to be revised. Note that any *new* theory is constrained to model the old evidence as well as the new evidence. Occasionally, a new theory and a new model will change the interpretation of old evidence. This is acceptable because of some uncertainty in any evidence. For example, the negative resistance of a tunnel diode was apparent in some earlier devices, but was ignored as noise since the negative resistance was not very pronounced *and* the existing theory did not predict that behavior. Later on, the negative resistance was recognized since the theory was extended to include negative resistance (I'm sure to have made some blunders here -- I'm a computer scientist, not a solid state physicist). Going back to Greg's earlier article: Ancient man had evidence that the sun rose and shined every day, until the first eclipse came, then the evidence was false. In this case, the *theory* is that the sun rose and shined every day. The *evidence* for this is (presumably) that it always had in the past, or more precisely: it came up yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that and ... If you number the days this becomes: the sun rose and shined on day 1 and on day 2, day 3, ... After the eclipse on day N, the preceding evidence is still true: the sun rose and shined on days 1 to N-1, but not on day N (or at least, something peculiar happened on day N). This requires a more complicated theory to model the existing evidence, but hardly invalidates that evidence, and (in this case) only partially invalidates the theory. -- Tom Teixeira, Massachusetts Computer Corporation. Westford MA ...!{ihnp4,harpo,decvax}!masscomp!tjt (617) 692-6200 x275