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From: david@ssc-vax.UUCP (David Norris)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Bible vs. non-marital sex
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Date: Fri, 20-Jan-84 12:04:29 EST
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Posted: Fri Jan 20 12:04:29 1984
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No doubt this has already drawn a flood of responses, but...

> Stefan Gruenwedel:

>    Indeed, the Christian's source does not say anything about being
> forbidden to have non-marital sex.  As the Bible says, "...you should
> avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his
> own body in a way that is holy and honorable..."  Nowhere does it
> forbid mortals to engage in non-marital sex.  What is meant by "sexual
> immorality"?  That is quite debatable.  To take a someone's personal
> opinion, "sexual immorality" could mean rape, but nothing else; to
> someone else it could mean homosexuality, but nothing else, etc.
> What is "holy and honorable"?  As one can see, this quote from the
> Bible (1 Thessalonians 4:1-6, NIV) does not forbid non-marital sex, as what it
> forbids depends upon different points of view.  So the Christian probably
> didn't convince the non-Christian that there is a law in the Bible banning
> sexual intercourse between Christians until they are married. 

Please refer to the following verses on fornication.  Taken as a whole, we get
a pretty good idea what the Bible has to say on this subject.  Please also
note, flamers, that I personally am NOT making any moral judgement against
those who have non-marital sex;  If you want to start a debate on the morals
of sex, fine.  But count me out.  And count me out of a definition argument:
"Fornication = creation of little league baseball bats".  I think the term
fornication is very generally understood.  I merely point out that Stefan may
have made a mistake when he said the Bible had nothing to say on the subject. 

1 Thessalonians 4:3
  "...that ye should abstain from fornication"

Ephesians 5:3
  "But fornication..let it not be once named among you.."

1 Corinthians 5:9-11
  "..not to company with fornicators.."

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
  "..neither fornicators..shall inherit the kingdom of God.."

1 Corinthians 6:13-20
  "..the body is not for fornication.."
  "..flee fornication.."
  "..he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.."

1 Corinthians 7:2
  "..to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife.."

Revelation 19:2
  "..judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication.."

Matthew 19:9
  "..away his wife, except it be for fornication, .." 

	-- David Norris
	-- uw-beaver!ssc-vax!david