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fortune!rpw3    Jan 12 01:44:00 1984

As far as I know, the "(void)Ship" trilogy is:

(1966)	"Destination Void", Frank Herbert. Old book. Still my favorite
	of the three, for its "hard science" speculations of consciousness.
	Revised and re-issued (1978) with extended chapter headings (to make it
	easier to understand?). I think the revisions have too much "spoiler".
	The very first chapter has a head that says "We call it Project
	Consciousness...(Morgan Hempstead)" a fact that in the original version
	you gain only by implication much later in the book. [The very first
	version was in "Galaxy" magazine (1965), as "Do I Sleep or Wake".]

(1979)	"The Jesus Incident", Frank Herbert and Bill Ransom. Takes place
	MANY "replays" after DestVoid. For my taste, weaker than DestVoid;
	however Ship has matured considerably since we saw him (it?) last.
	The only character from DestVoid is the Chaplain/Psychiatrist.

(1983)	"The Lazurus Effect", Frank Herbert and Bill Ransom. Takes place
	about 450 years after JesusInc, but is a strict sequel.  O.k., good
	resolution, neither closed permanently nor hanging unresolved.

As far as other "religious" or "consciousness" books, may I recommend
Herbert's "The Godmakers" (1972). Same quasi-Frankenstein hints as DestVoid,
but no computers, just a planet full of priests who occasionally risk it
all and "make a god", and an investigator who bears more than a passing
to Jorj X McKie (see below).

As far as exploring consciousness in general, there are the four Dune books:
Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune.

And finally, let us not forget "Whipping Star" and "The Dosadi Experiment",
with "saboteur extraordinary" Jorj X McKie, with its sentient stars, telepathic
interstellar telegraph-trees, frog-like Gowachin and their cruel court:
"Justice belongs to those who claim it, but let the claimant beware lest
he create new injustice by his claim and thus set the bloody pendulum of
revenge in its inexorable motion. -- Gowachin aphorism"


Rob Warnock

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