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From: pellegri@ittral.UUCP (Dan Pellegrino)
Newsgroups: net.veg
Subject: Re: Vegetable Morality and Request for Recipes
Message-ID: <333@ittral.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 5-Jan-84 17:24:10 EST
Article-I.D.: ittral.333
Posted: Thu Jan  5 17:24:10 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 6-Jan-84 02:44:26 EST
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Excerpts (indented and quoted) and comments:

	"The only justifiable reasons for not eating meat are religious and
        personal preference. This bit about being not nice to kill animals
        is pure poop (like that word??)."

This statement is a truer representation of "pure poop" (no, I don't like that
word).  Add this to your list of justifiable (by who's standards, anyway) rea-
sons:  There are medical conditions (e.g.- allergies) and ecological conditions
(e.g.- available game vs. available vegetation) that exclude some or all meat
as an option in the diet of some people.  In these cases, people are vegetarian
by necessity.  If we assume that religious reasons are considered by the be-
lievers to be either necessary or preferred, that means that we can reduce the
list of reasons to two - preference and necessity - which should cover just
about every specific reaon there is.

	"This mentality, I believe, stems from people who let their social
	conditioning spill over into areas where it does not apply."

Unless one's "social conditioning" is only superficial, it "spills over" into
all areas of life.

	"I often wonder how these people feel when a bobcat catches and kills
        a rabbit on some TV wildlife show. Maybe they don't watch these shows.
        Maybe they feel nature should get an *R* rating."

A bobcat, as well as most other carnivores, must eat meat to survive.  Their
nutritional requirements, coupled with the conditions of their habitats, gives
them alot of restriction.  They usually can't import all types of food from all
over the world or hop into the car and drive over to the next habitat down the
road to do their grocery shopping.  Besides, the animal that the bobcat kills
might have had a chance to get away or protect itself somehow.  I haven't
heard of bobcats raising other animals from birth in enclosed pens with the
sole intention of killing them and eating them in the future.  Give this 
activity the *R* rating.

	"The bottom line is that we need meat, veggies and fruit, grain and
	dairy products (the four basic food groups) to maintain health. This
	is the only sensible diet, the rest in my opinion are fads."

We don't need the four basic food groups.  We need specific nutrients that come
from various sources, not necessarily including meat.  Meeting all of our 
nutritional needs is the only sensible diet.  Your opinion on this matter is
"pure poop" and not based on factual information.

	"Now let me use this newsgroup as I think it was intended to be used:"

This newsgroup was purposely created apart from net.cooks so that "Vegetable
Morality" (as you call it) and other aspects of vegetarianism can be discussed.
It definately is not just for vegetable recipes.  Although this is a logical
newsgroup within which to inquire about vegetable recipes, to assert that that
is the sole intention of this newsgroup is just more "poop".  I suggest that you
post your request for broccoli and asparagus recipes in net.cooks also.

                                             Dan Pellegrino
                                             ittvax!ittral!pellegri