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From: laura@utcsstat.UUCP (Laura Creighton)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: net.men
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Date: Sun, 15-Jan-84 16:15:28 EST
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Posted: Sun Jan 15 16:15:28 1984
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If you create a group "net.men" (or "net.women" which I was opposed to
remember gang) you perpetuate the idea that it is okay to not listen to
what somebody has got to say on the basis of their sex.

This is discrimination, folks. I don't like it when men refuse to listen
to women because they are women, and I sure as hell don't like it
when women do the same thing to men. Women who pull this tactic
generally try to hit you with a big guilt trip "oh we have been so
opressed and we need this space" to justify their discrimination.
Clearly, these tactics are going to work on men better than they are
on me.

Net.women was a stupid idea. Net.men is a worse idea. Stop humouring
the people that want to discriminate. Especially stop humouring the
ones that are manipulating you out of guilt. You aren't responsible
for the shitty things your grandfather did to women. Are you trying
to not discriminate against women? yes? Fine, then feel no guilt.
For heavens sake don't feel guilt because you aren't perfect -- nobody
is perfect and people who hate you because you aren't perfect are
the ones with the problem. Having to be perfect is a real heavy load --
don't let them give it to you 'cause it is easier to get than to get
rid of.

Life is tough. I know that. Good luck with it. I have compassion for
everybody because I know life is tough. But I'm not going to condone
discrimination because i have compassion. I just won't hate you for
being imperfect.

Laura Creighton
utzoo!utcsstat!laura