Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utcsstat.UUCP Path: utzoo!utcsstat!laura From: laura@utcsstat.UUCP (Laura Creighton) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Ramblings on Space Message-ID: <1693@utcsstat.UUCP> Date: Mon, 23-Jan-84 14:04:57 EST Article-I.D.: utcsstat.1693 Posted: Mon Jan 23 14:04:57 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 23-Jan-84 15:31:20 EST References: <295@houxu.UUCP> Organization: U. of Toronto, Canada Lines: 58 Larry, I caught something creeping in there which people may not have noticed. This is the mythical 'sex makes all the difference in the world' syndrome. The idea is 'well friends are friends, but sex, gee, wow that's something really different'. I think that this is a particularily crummy attitude. Sex is nice, and friends are nice, but friends are nicer! I have some friends. Some of them I have had sex with, some of them I might have sex with, and a lot of them I would never have sex with. It doesn't matter to me as far as the friendship goes. If you think that sex is something wonderful that ties people together and makes them special, then I think that you are doing your friends whom you don't have sex with a disservice. And boy will you do awful things in the guilt-trip department if you expect some poor friend of yours to be 'very different now' just because you have had sex with them. If they didn't know that this was the rules, they may have just lost a friendship because you want something else, and if you don't watch it you will give them a guilt trip to boot -- even if they can not figure out what the heck went wrong. This is another variation on the "sex is a prize that i give to my one true love" story. If you want to play this game, fine, but let us all know so that we can avoid you if we are not interested in this game. Don't assume that we all think that this rule is just ducky, because it isn't. Sex is great, and I enjoy it -- but awarding myself off as a prize doesn't sit very well with me. Nobody "gives themself" to me -- this is a mutual enjoyment pact, not a supermarket purchase. * * * one final note -- if you really want to discourage the trama of rape (and if one out of every four women is going to be raped, this strikes me as a fine ideal) then fight this attitude wherever you see it. One of the great problems with rape is not that a person "feels defiled" or some such. This is a manifestation of the same attitude. You want to "give yourself away" but now you feel like "damaged goods" which nobody in their right mind would take. this, dear, is your problem. YOU CAN NEVER GIVE YOURSELF AWAY. Nobody can take you! People can try, and even try to be responsible for you, but it is a loosing proposition. Tough as it is, you are stuck with being responsible for yourself. You can try to abdicate this responsibility, by blaming the world, or trying to get somebody else to take responsibility, but it isn't going to work very well. But, if you *are* responsible, then sex can not be a shedding of responsibilities. The best you can do is a mutual enjoyment pact. Let's not play the double-cheat game of handing yourself as the sacred bottle to your lover and then bitching that men are too "dominant", okay. If you want to be the sacred flower-pot then the domination is there because you asked for it. Laura Creighton utzoo!utcsstat!laura