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From: steven@qubix.UUCP (Steven Maurer)
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Date: Thu, 19-Jan-84 19:11:51 EST
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Posted: Thu Jan 19 19:11:51 1984
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    Thank you for more fully explaining yourself.  It puts my mind at
    ease.   You wish (as best as I can determine) to create a forum for
    quibbling between people who subscribe to the same basic tenents of 
    a philosophy - in this case feminism.  Other forums could be created
    for other movements such as christianity, (as opposed to net.relegion),
    or socialism (as opposed to net.politics).

    Unfortunately I do not believe that this is possible.   Putting the
    technical issues aside, how do you propose to find out if a person
    subscribes to the particular philosophy in question?   And more
    importantly, who is to do the deciding?

	For instance, in your last note you listed examples of questions -
    the first open to all to discuss (the "is cause 'A' worthy" type), and
    the second open only to people who answer appropriately on the first
    set (the "how should cause 'A' be applied to 'X'" type).   Your examples
    are revealing in that your type one questions reflect your own opinions
    on feminism, just as much as the type two do.


>>     1) Is feminism necessary?  Are women oppressed by this society? Is 
>>     feminism, radical or reform, the right response to the situation of women
>>     in this society?

>>     2) Is Women Against Violence Against Women correct in their assumption
>>     that Porn causes violence against women, and therefore Porn should
>>     be legislated against?

	To think that you must believe that women are oppressed by this
    society in order to have an opinion on the Anti-Porn issue, is 
    predjudicial towards non-feminists.    I for one, do not believe
    that women are particularly oppressed in this society, or at least no
    more so than men,  but I also believe that hard-core porn exacerbates
    the violent tendencies of certain less-stable men (by making violent
    sex to appear OK), and thus should be strictly controlled or illegalized;
    by the standards you are applying, I should not be able to have such
    an opinion, since I do not believe in one of the fundimental tenents
    of feminism.   The fact that I do, seems to point to a need for
    redefinition of 'feminist issues'.

Steven Maurer