Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site randvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!security!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!clyde!floyd!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!sdcrdcf!randvax!edhall From: edhall@randvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: womanspace Message-ID: <1635@randvax.ARPA> Date: Sat, 21-Jan-84 07:01:29 EST Article-I.D.: randvax.1635 Posted: Sat Jan 21 07:01:29 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Jan-84 06:27:56 EST References: <6425@watdaisy.UUCP> Organization: Rand Corp., Santa Monica Lines: 31 -------------------------------------------- I think I can understand some of what Sophie is talking about (albeit as a bit of an outsider). As a (male) feminist, I've noticed that a lot of people seem to have the mistaken impression that many women want to be *like* men, rather than to have the same rights and opportunities as men. In a way this is silly, because a lot of women are in a good position to see just how stifled and miserable many men are in their own traditional role. Why would women want to turn themselves into emotional cripples just to feel `equal'? Furthermore, whether inborn or socially caused, there are differences in the ways most women experience their lives than the ways most men experience theirs. So it makes perfect sense to me that a women might prefer the company of other women. I can nod sympathetically when a female friend talks about being discriminated against (or even shake my fist in anger at the injustice), and I can try to be knowledgable about those things peculiar to the female experience, but I'll never really understand the way another woman can. Just because the female perspective is different doesn't make it one bit less valid than the male viewpoint --that is what I understand `equality' to mean. I can understand how considering people to be `genderless' makes the equality of the sexes simpler to consider. The more differences allowed for the more tolerance required--and tolerance is, alas, pretty difficult to come by. But it is the only path to lasting liberation of *all* people. -Ed Hall decvax!randvax!edhall