Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site umcp-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!seismo!rlgvax!cvl!umcp-cs!liz From: liz@umcp-cs.UUCP Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: my mail box overfloweth Message-ID: <6560@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: Mon, 16-Apr-84 02:00:13 EST Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.6560 Posted: Mon Apr 16 02:00:13 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Apr-84 08:14:24 EST References: <3705@utzoo.UUCP> <47700013@hpfcla.UUCP> Organization: Univ. of Maryland, Computer Science Dept. Lines: 34 Quoting from Alan Silverstein: Is the fetus a human being? I agree, a lot hinges on that. I'd say we should wait until the evidence is in, but I think it already is right there in plain sight. The fetus is not human until it can live on its own. If that means with the help of medical technology, fine. Woman have the right to hand over the fetus to that technology, with no punishment if it does not survive, and no obligations to the fetus if it does. What does living on its own have to do with the fetus being human??? Every year babies survive at smaller and smaller birth weights. It's a very movable line. Is a fetus carried by a woman in a rural area away from modern medical facilities less human than one carried by a woman in a large urban area simply because it has a worse chance of survival if it were born prematurely. That makes no sense at all. Also, even a normal baby can't really "live on its own" -- it needs a lot of care. In practice, abortion is frequently performed on women carrying babies older than babies that have been born and have survived. Babies who have survived a saline abortion have been known to live for hours afterwards *without* any help. (Saline abortions are particularly bad for the woman since they usually feel the fetus kicking and struggling inside of them for more than an hour until the fetus dies.) Viability is simply not a concern in the day to day practice of abortion. -Liz Allen -- Univ of Maryland, College Park MD Usenet: ...!seismo!umcp-cs!liz Arpanet: liz%umcp-cs@CSNet-Relay