Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site alice.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!alice!wookie From: wookie@alice.UUCP (Keith Bauer White Tiger Racing) Newsgroups: net.auto Subject: Re: Suspension systems Message-ID: <2730@alice.UUCP> Date: Thu, 26-Apr-84 09:54:58 EST Article-I.D.: alice.2730 Posted: Thu Apr 26 09:54:58 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 27-Apr-84 04:27:28 EST References: <7368@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 58 Boy you really opened up a can of worms here!! Suspension design gets into some really heavy stuff (excellent for computer types! Let me know when you get some software for this one!!) There is an excellent book out by Colin Campbell entitled "New Directions in Suspension Design" or something to that effect. Anyway what you basically want is to reduce unsprung weight to the bare minimum ideally zero (I guess I should say unsprung mass). This is done by moving the brakes inboard as on a Jaguar. A nice place to see the ultimate in modern suspension design is on a Formula race car such as a Formula Ford. On the new designs the springs, shocks, brakes etc are all moved inboard leaving only the wheels, spindle and control arms hanging out in the breeze. Thus the unsprung mass is about as minimum as you can get. Also four wheel independent suspension is ideal so that the actions at one wheel will not affect another. To keep the car from rolling in a turn antisway bars are added which takes away from the independent suspension idea since it ties the right and left sides together and stops independent action and so you see suspensions must be a compromise of many things. Things you can do for your car are to reduce the unsprung mass by getting lightweight alloy wheels (real magnesium wheels like Minilites are great ......I can really see the difference in my race car just between the Minilites and aluminum wheels!). If you want more expense brakes parts can be substituted to reduce weight. Adding nice juicy roll bars will help keep the car flat on the turns but you must experiment with front and rear bar sizes to keep the handling as neutral as possible. If you can get some idea of the weight on each wheel and do some heavy calculating you can determine what the spring rates and shock absorber rates should be for your particular application. I can go on and on so if you have further questions we'll give it a try. You noted that a big boat like a Cadillac rides nicely. If you would like to do a comparison go drive a full size Cadillac like the Coupe De Ville (not a Fleetwood) and compare the ride to a Chevrolet Impala. The cars are essentially the same in size and the suspension parts are identical on both cars. The Cadillac however is much heavier and so the Sprung to unsprung weight ratio is much larger on the Cadillac and so it rides better. It won't corner however because of its great mass. So if you can get the same ratio as the Cadillac but at the weight of the Impala you will have a good compromise. This of course applies to small cars as well so look for suspensions with lightweight alloy parts like the new Corvette and inboard brakes like the Jaguar and lightweight like a racecar etc. etc. Unfortunatly these things are usually high tech and so are only on exotic cars but yes they are out there and can be found!! Keith Bauer White Tiger Racing