Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: nyu notesfiles V1.1 4/1/84; site acf4.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!hogpc!houti!ariel!vax135!floyd!cmcl2!acf4!lwe3207 From: lwe3207@acf4.UUCP Newsgroups: net.columbia Subject: Re: Getting it back to the Cape Message-ID: <11700004@acf4.UUCP> Date: Sun, 22-Apr-84 22:52:00 EST Article-I.D.: acf4.11700004 Posted: Sun Apr 22 22:52:00 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 17-Apr-84 07:16:19 EST References: <474@ihuxa.UUCP> Organization: New York University Lines: 25 Nf-ID: #R:ihuxa:-47400:acf4:11700004:000:1263 Nf-From: acf4!lwe3207 Apr 15 22:52:00 1984 [] (More response.) I didn't consider the fact that the 747 is to the Shuttle as a glider is to an F-14: i.e., the glider has more lift. So clearly the 747 has a lot more appropriate lift for the lower atmosphere, and hence is more fuel- efficient a priori than a powered shuttle. The corollary being that if you tried to drop a 747 at 17K-knots out of orbit, it would melt while the wings were tearing off. (I guess the cabin pressurization in an airliner comes from the jet engines intake/compressors, so the passengers in said 747 would also have suffocated by that time. But it would be amusing to film such an event: you could ferry the parts of the 747 up into orbit, assemble it, and then "push it backwards" until it was below orbital velocity. Bugs Bunny could be inside, searching madly for the airbrakes, while robots with parachutes jumped out into the flaming void.) I guess this will always be a tradeoff in aero vs. space craft, until the materials technology for the skin (heat-reflective) and infrastructure (tough but light) are so good that you can make an orbiter capable of re-entry which also has a sufficiently good lift coefficient to be economical for self-powered flight in the lower atmosphere. Lars Ericson cmcl2!acf4!lwe3207