Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 beta 3/9/83; site cwruecmp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!harpo!decvax!cwruecmp!pjd From: pjd@cwruecmp.UUCP (Dr. Funk) Newsgroups: net.cse,net.micro,net.research Subject: Machines, architectures and education. Message-ID: <1118@cwruecmp.UUCP> Date: Sat, 24-Mar-84 15:52:10 EST Article-I.D.: cwruecmp.1118 Posted: Sat Mar 24 15:52:10 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Mar-84 19:04:29 EST Organization: CWRU Computer Engr. Cleveland, Ohio Lines: 27 Can't resist putting in my two cents.... What is "state of the art" or "cutting edge?" Subjective terms such as these will always draw flames from the religous zealots. :-) Although it is important for undergraduates to learn at least one particular machine and operating system in depth, they should be exposed to a broad spectrum of systems and philosophies. Neophyte architects/system programmers cannot gain an historical perspective overnight. By learning one system in depth and then comparing and contrasting with others, the student will develop taste and hopefully a list of mistakes to avoid in the future. As an undergraduate (and Oh God am I about to date myself) I learned the PDP-10, TOPS-10 and BLISS in depth. I had TSS/360 and various PDP-11's and a host of programming languages for comparison. Hence, I settled on Unix and 11's early (1975) and am now looking forward to 68000, 32032, etc. and whatever will be invented AFTER Unix. My only gripe -- manufacturers don't spread it around enough. I'd really like to expose my students to a spectrum of machines and operating systems, but it takes capital. (Apologies to those firms who have helped us in the past. paul drongowski decvax!cwruecmp!pjd case western reserve university pjd.Case@Rand-Relay