Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gatech.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!akgua!gatech!spaf From: spaf@gatech.UUCP (Gene Spafford) Newsgroups: net.college,net.flame,net.misc,net.politics Subject: Re: Univ. of Minn. CS Dept. Message-ID: <5409@gatech.UUCP> Date: Thu, 29-Mar-84 12:15:46 EST Article-I.D.: gatech.5409 Posted: Thu Mar 29 12:15:46 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 30-Mar-84 03:20:29 EST References: <1057@umn-ucc.UUCP> Organization: The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech Lines: 56 Two comments: The problems you describe are not unique to the University of Minnesota. There are many schools suffering from a lack of adequate computing resources and a shortage of qualified instructors. We see many of the same types of problems here at Georgia Tech. Most of the university administrators understand the kinds of difficulties we face, but the political situation is such that little can be done about some of the problems involved. One of the solutions taken here is to limit the number of undergraduates allowed into the major; we could easily find 2 or 3 times as many students who would like to enter the program, but the quality of education would suffer. It's like thrashing -- performance goes down exponentially with linear increase in load. The solution? I wish I knew. A first step is to complain, loudly and forcefully -- to the politicians and to the college administration. Don't blame your faculty, and don't be too quick to blame the system at your campus. Often the blame can be placed higher up the organizational chart, usually with the legislators who allocate funds based more on political effect rather than good sense. After all, many of the students are from out of state and the ones who aren't don't usually vote. Furthermore, politicians want results which will be seen before the next election -- not 10 or 20 years down the line. We have had, and continue to have, a very serious problem in this country with regards to education. Our elected officials seem to believe that pumping money into the military is better for the country than supporting education. Supporting education is really supporting our future. The cost of one fighter plane could refurbish all of the research labs at a major university. The result could have effects on our defense, our economy, and perhaps our future as a species. Instead, what does our government do? They cut out loan and scholarship programs for students. They reduce research funding and grants. They spend more time debating whether to allow prayer in school than they spend trying to support the teaching of *real* knowledge. Maybe more scientists and educators should dirty their hands with politics. Maybe we should form political lobbies. Maybe we should hurry up and figure out a way to get off-planet and start our own society. BUT, one thing we should all do -- express our concerns and our opinions to our governmental representatives. Maybe enough noise will produce some results. Second comment: I realize that your original article was written in haste and anger. Did you bother to proofread it before you sent it? If so, then I hope that the non-computer science course you are taking is one in English composition. Or were you just trying to emphasize your point about the declining quality of education at the U of Minn? -- Off the Wall of Gene Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf.GATech @ CSNet-Relay uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,rlgvax,sb1,unmvax,ulysses,ut-sally}!gatech!spaf