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From: martillo@ihuxt.UUCP (Yehoyaqim Shemtob Martillo)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: Anti-Arab flaming - angrier still
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Date: Sun, 1-Apr-84 08:16:01 EST
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Posted: Sun Apr  1 08:16:01 1984
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>Recently I posted a rather mild flame about the unfairness of some of
>the anti-Arab and anti-Islam postings on this group.  In response, 
>Y.M. Martillo (ihuxt!martillo) posted another such article.  Some
>of his points are apt and reasoned - others have just finished
>raising my blood pressure 40 points.

Y. S. Martillo

>For example:

>ME: - Islamic doctrine explicitly calls for brotherly coexistence with
>      "peoples of the book" - Christians and Jews.  

>MARTILLO:
>Islamic law describes a complete system of degradation and humiliation 
>of non-Muslims.

>Flame on - I have READ a lot of the Islamic scripture, in translation.  
>           Obviously you have not.  I am right.  You are wrong.

Just what language do you think Arab Jews from Southern Libya speak?  I
have read the Qur'an in the original. I have also read a large part
Islamic thought and jurisprudence which has never been translated from the
original.  I have lived in a mixed Arab-Jewish community.  When you can
name the four orthodox madahib and explain their differences, I will argue
it with you. (Hint: HaNFaSH).

By the way, see my reply to MUSLIM LAW.

>Flame on FULL!

> Let me clarify what I am saying.  I am accusing the anti-Arab and anti-
> Islam posters of implicit RACISM.  Some of the articles posted to the
> net, had they been in reference to any other ethnic/religious group,
> would have been justly flamed off the map as examples of racist bigotry.

I am not implying anything.  I dislike Muslims explicitly.  They have an
ideology which requires my subjugation.  I would be stupid to have any
other opinion of them. However, since I happen to be of the same race as
Arab Muslims, I am not guilty of racism.

> Racism has no place in civilized discourse.  So get it the !#^&*# off
> the net.

Screaming racism (where there is none), a typical trick of those who
refuse to let reality interfere with their world view, will not succeed in
squelching a valid debate.